I had relatives in Fillmore, MO and found your comments of there a bit mean. That alone should have put him away. I remember hearing about this story for the very first time on 60 Minutes when I was in high school. If anything, she owed the townspeople something. The towns people were being bullied and never got the help they needed. And Hey, world Mr Dalsing is alive and well making a difference in this world for the better.. Live your life well Jeff! I dont believe any of those people are murderers or bad people, they truly felt that was their only choice. Ken McElroy got around a lot more than most people realize. I was having sex at 11 with grown men, so I can relate to what Im sure she must have went through. But it was an easy thing for them to do, to raise their hands and lie under oath.". Several of his victims became pregnant, and McElroy used payoffs and threats to assuage hard feelings by parents. She stayed close to her parents, curiously enough. Holy cow. Im sure she felt anger & betrayal, along with what that kind of abuse does to your psyche. It seems Q Goslees family has experienced losses at an earlier age than I would have thought. Realize you have something disgusting deep within you because of those horrid pieces of shit. No one was more a victim of the bastard McElroy than was she. It certainly must be a burden knowing your father was Ken McElroy, but hes certainly entitled to be proud of what hes done with his life. You cannot show any fear. I knew your grandmother and her family and yes she was a beautiful normal girl that is until Ken decided she belong to him I remember the last time I seen her she was pregnant setting in the swing talking to my sister crying , I remember him stalking her as she was with her family visiting mine , I remember her families house being burned to the ground, 40 + years and I still remember the fear. My condolences to her family. Secondary, the authorities would have been responsible as well because laws were broken. I am absolutely sure it was Ken McElroy. harry my name is sam lewis. Killing Fields: The Town That Got Away With Murder She stayed close to her parents, which was always curious. Although Trena rode with McElroy at the end, she was victimized by him at age 12. . I was startled. She was trash, like her bully husband. I wish you guys could have had more time together. Thanks. Not once do you hear of him going toe to toe with anyone, just threats and guns and of course beating on women, which is a classic sign of a coward. Why did she not publish some more introspective personal responsibility later. You must be relted to the monster! Think what you could get for it on e-bay. Alice died about ten or fifteen years ago. McElroy dumped Oleta after a few years and married a 15-year-old girl, Sharon. Isnt it quite the irony that Trena was able to spend the remaining years of her life in happiness which would not have been possible had Ken not have been killed. I was raised by a law abiding yet could me an extremely violent man who feared no one big or small. I've still got mixed feelings about the shooting. You got a beef with a man you settle it with that man. Ken McElroy was born in 1934 as the penultimate child among 16 other children. The one and only time McElroy was convicted of a crime, he shot local grocer Bo in the neck after one of his young daughters was accused of shoplifting some candy from the man's store. Kenneth Rex McElroy "Bully" Murder AS her daughter Tami listens, Trena McElroy retells how she watched her husband's life shot away by a man she and her attorney describe as a vigilante gunman. I have known Mr. Dalsing since 1999. Kens children, I feel sorry for. I know easy for me to say I wasnt there. Did he buy prosecutors? Abuse wears you down to the point you cannot think for yourself. Stealing livestock, ambushing people. He was a great state trooper and sheriff and still a well known man today. Ken obviously was mentally ill and never got help. I went through abuse as a child and that abuse tends to make people do things they normally wouldnt do. See he was tired of fighting the town people and all the rest of the crap. They use their size and weapons as intimidation so they dont have physical altercations that shows their lack of ability to be a real bad ass. I drove through there one day, slowed down, parked, and got a very unpleasant feeling. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. facts known about the Ken McElroy shooting. Ill talk to him as time goes along. Sally (wife/girlfriend) children; son (Ken Jr.)?, daughter (Lisa), son (Jeffrey Daising), daughter (Lori Daising). I was 20 years of age in 1981 and living south of The River in Warrensburg when I learned of all of this. You may have a point on my description of Fillmore. Perhaps she was plain and nave but she was always aware of what Ken was doing; every day of it. I think Trena was someone who grew up in a household where she couldnt trust anyone to be looking out for her best interests (case in point: mother handing her over to pedophile Ken). Death simply made him a dead bully. Again, just my opinion, but if the technology back then had been what it is today, hed have seen more jail time, simply based on the rapes. Am I the only one who is just as interested in the names and circumstances of judges and prosecutors as the men involved in this shooting? And the local bar with a loud air conditioner in a window somewhere making a racket while the locals hid from the heat of the day. The law is the law and no one should exploit loop holes in order to ensure someone does not pay for their crimes. Appalling. Ken Rex McElroyThe Thirtieth Anniversary of his Killing What you wrote about is potentially the tip of the iceberg. i am happy that she did get to move on and live a happy life. HE WAS A MAN IN HIS THIRTIES WHO IMPREGNATED A FOURTEEN YEAR OLD CHILD. The Story Of Ken McElroy, The Vicious Bully Killed By His Town A few stiff sentences, and Dan would have been forgotten, as he deserved to be. And Im here to say that I fully believe 100% that he was not a bad man. Thanks! McElroy chose to be a bully. [11] Only Trena claimed to identify a gunman; every other witness was either unable to name an assailant or claimed not to have seen who fired the fatal shots. He had read the book. She should have thanked them instead of blaming & suing them. I am shocked and horrified by the story particularly that in the 20th century that the LAW ( I blame the Law for not being more proactive to help Trena & her family) were unable to protect a young girl from sexual abuse. They acted out of desperation as they were given absolutely no alternative. McElroy was accused of raping two young women, as young as 12 years old, both of whom he was said to have "married" to keep them from testifying against him. All this still going on is bull what he done is nonthing compared to what goes on in the big cities everyday and they dont go making books and movies about it. The other kids are staying well below the limelight, as far as I know. Sundance omitted the plague of crimes that KRM inflicted on the people he knew & grew up with, the fear that gripped the entire community, the hopelessness that the legal system would ever stop him, the abuse of young women and children, the disregard for law, his disdain for humanity, his incredible evil and success at evading the law Most of all, the nauseating recognition that Ken Rex McIlroy, out on bond, would finish the job of murdering the victim(s) and witnesses before he would ever go to jail If anything, the series proved that Skidmores silence is still unbroken and the secret that at least 70 people keep, is still unspoken. They got rid of their bully, but things never got any better for them. As a novice writer myself, nowhere near the talent and expertise you display, I was told by a confidential source (Whom I shall not identify due to privacy). McCloud identified D&G owner Del Clement as one of the shooters, but Clement was never officially charged with the crime, Mental Floss writes. Has no one tried to prosecute him? He is a positive man with a great personality and has a charming demeanor about himself. Im sure you would privately feel relieved in the City when your cops shot him dead, but publicly condemn your cops for doing it a-la woke 2021 morality. I agree. People dont just do it, unless they are already murderers, etc. In all, there were 46 potential witnesses to the shooting, including Trena McElroy, who was in the truck with her husband when he was shot. By all account, Ken was wary, if not scared, of going to jail. Now intrigued, Jeffrey managed to locate the medical papers from a surgery he had had as child to repair the hernia. Surprised that there arent more comments on here @ the Sundance Series, No One Saw A ThingIMO, It exposed nothing that Harry didnt reveal In Broad Daylight, other than we are to now surmise that Skidmore is a cursed & dying community. Neither am I. They only understood fear. Things happen in small town America, but 1 in a million catch the attention of the media so it seems like an isolated incident. Sounds naive I know, but I feel hope that perhaps Ken McElroy may well have found God, even if tangentially. Not something she wants to talk much about. March 28, 2023. The city literally bulldozed his house to keep it from becoming a shrine to the weirdos of our world. Jeffrey Did you learn about your grandfather as a kid? All of them are aware of who their father was. She was born in 1965 and died in June, 2020. My point is that now I am a very happily married wife and mother of two and nothing at all like the girl I was. If she was there in the tavern she may have been playing a pinball machine or video game elsewhere. This poor lady. I understand his thieving ways gave him plenty of cash to attend to his and his familys needs, but WHO did he buy off to get repeated passes on his crimes? They are both burning in hell fire ? . He was my favorite person in the book and someone I would have really liked to meet. [6] Trena and her baby were placed in foster care at a home in Maryville, Missouri. He appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp. I believe she attempted to extort 5 million dollars from them. How sad for him. Furious that McElroy was drinking instead of getting locked up, the irate citizens of Skidmore held an impromptu town hall meeting in the American Legion Hall across the street from the D&G to discuss how to handle the McElroy situation. Im curious, also, as to where that thugs house once stood. Youd protect your family same as they had to protect theirs. I find myself momentarily intimidated, in spite of what hes saying, in spite of all the good I know about him. On occasion, such people will be prosecuted and even imprisoned or disbarred. Now he had to deal with the truth. He has been a best friend of mine ever since. Its dealing with the loss of all the work and experience it takes to raise livestock. On paper, a crime was committed, but justice was nonetheless served. I agree with you in many respects. People can change, and she proved this. Im glad you set the record straight, on the facts. He has guided troubled students through angry and self destructive feelings, assisting them gain composure and self control. I saw this while browsing and just couldnt not comment. He was an outlaw. He is patient, kind and very loving. I do not think badly of this man and I dont know that the rest of you should either cuz I have heard some pretty good stories about him stories that shows that he has a heart. All Rights Reserved, Slender Man stabbing, Waukesha, Wisconsin, Update: Police Release Dead Serial Killers Account of Murder of Samantha Koenig. But thats television. The Sheriff said they are still a threat to the community and that new leads had been developed. and after the debacle died down, did any of his kids get treated fair? Not surprising that one of the kids engaged in a shooting in a bar. No, as a matter of fact I dont think Ive heard the name before. He typically preyed upon children from poor, uneducated families. I thought the group on this thread would appreciate and find the following link interesting. Though Ken McElroy was killed in broad daylight and in front of at least 30 witnesses, subsequent criminal investigations failed to identify any suspects. Stratton is still kicking up in Bethany. you reference). My personal opinion is that DNA and modern surveillance (cell phones and the like) wouldnt have allowed the cops to back down as easily as they did then. I agree the lawyer may have encouraged this. To many people make excuses for bad people. Also, it should be noted that the other movie that came out in the 1980s about this story was told from Trena McElroys point of view rather than that of the townspeople. That being said, I cant sort out the wives and children of Ken. Too bad. Ordinarily, Id say vigilante justice is not the way to go, but the folks in Skidmore were terrorized on a day-to-day basis. Why? Im not justifying what happened, but there were a lot of contributing factors and I believe people were legitimately scared and felt they had to do something since the law and the legal system failed them so abysmally. Henry was forced to admit in court, under questioning by McElroy's attorney Richard Gene McFadin, that he had concealed his own petty criminal conviction from more than 30 years previous. No one else ever helped her. Theres not a day that goes by I dont think of her. The girly-woman had made herself a cozy nest in the strong arms of macho man the rapist, the local brute, and became his breeding machine, profited from him and thus never fled. She was bullied by this devious, evil, selfish man, completely dominated, and she made mistakes. For her thug partner ?? To fear a bully is to empower him. However, when he and Mrs. Bowenkamp purchased the town grocery store he put away his custom made Mother of Pearl grip Colt .45s and his special made Crocodile ammunition belt. Not surprising at all. Sheriff Estes instructed the assembled group not to get into a direct confrontation with McElroy, but instead seriously consider forming a neighborhood watch program. A thousand sleezy lawyers cant do the harm to society what a few ( especially in tiny communities were there may only be a couple) inept/corrupt/cowardly judges or prosecutors will. When I met him his demeanor was exactly like you described in your book. I saw him back down from a guy once at Rutledge over a dog. Crazy book. I feel I owe you a debt for making me forget this damn pandemic for a while! Life is so short.. to be filled with hate and violence. She didnt have the guts/strength to stand up to McElroy. The whole shut up or be shut up is now a pervasive presence in whats left of the place. he was a sociopathnot psychotic. All those kids to support. Right. Harry, You talked to my father (who has passed away) in the research for your book. Of the most serious, McElroy was accused of child molestation and statutory rape. Other times? I think its interesting that Ken McElroy exibited all the symptoms of a sociopath. Ive still got mixed feelings about the shooting. I want to know WHY. Especially when youre as young as she was and probably financially dependent on your abuser. 1980: A few of Ken's children go to the local grocery store and is accused of stealing by Mrs. Bowenkamp. Cause she did stick up for him! You are in no position to talk :). These farmers worked hard to raise cattle and to have them stolen is more than just a monetary loss. And if someone gives birth at 14, it means that the father was a pedo and a rapist. I had not thought much about this since this all happened when he was in the media way back when but I just saw something on YouTube that made me curious as to what happened to the thing. Others have identified the houses location on Google Earth. its been said that she moved on & found God and happiness later in life that she had changed . [2] He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46. They really do not need their memories spoiled by the memories of the rest of the world. I know she helped with the bullying, but she was substantially influenced and groomed by this child molester. Even the United States has a legal system, even back then. On April 2, 1983, she was united in marriage Kenneth Howard Williams, and. Classic. I spent many summers at my grandparents farm in Winigan, MO. Im sorry, in my comment above I mean to say the bar was called Brews Blue Town. I have known Jeff for over 15 years.The best way to describe him is , ( soft spoken, kind hearted, One who never seems to get upset. And so it goes. This was something that the "town bully," Ken Rex McElroy, staunchly rebelled against. The legal system had completely failed them and McElroy continued to threaten to kill the townspeople. Im sure the only regret those 45+ people have is that they didnt do it sooner. I believe the engine in the truck seized up because Mr. McElroys foot was on the accelerator and no one moved his foot or even shut off the engine. The legal system failed them and they had taken all they could. I took a seat close to him and he immediately started to pick a fight with me. Lots of pictures of the parade. McElroy reportedly shot people, threatened them, stole, seduced preteen and young teen girls, and set houses on fire. The show was a cheap hatchet job. It is my pleasure to interact with Jeffery on a daily basis and I truely feel he helps keep me grounded. Whatever they say is normal, you force yourself to accept as normal. Although McElroy is long gone, his reputation looms ever-present, even over a series of nonrelated disturbing events, including the death of Wendy Gillenwater, stomped to death by her boyfriend in 2000, the disappearance of Branson Perry in 2001, and the brutal 2004 murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, whose live baby was carved from her body. I would love to hear from you . And you do not involve anyones family or friends EVER. There is a certain defense to self defense when it comes to terrorism. Background. The man one the phone said his name was Jeffrey. Flipping television channels I ran across the old film Road House. A town having inadequate policing. I feel like the townspeople were just fed up and tired of being held hostage and terrorized in their own community. , I met Jeff in the fall of 1984. Do you know how young Damien is? Also, did you ever meet any of Ken s siblings, cause he had a lot? He said that the jerk stared at each and every juror like he was intent on doing harm to eacha crazy look as dad described it. I currently work with him in a Behavioral/Learning Disorders School in Kansas City. Hug them! Things are much different now. Aside from his cruelty and sociopathy, given different life circumstances he could have put that nimble mind of his to some meaningful use. Anyway, I appreciate your perspective. She was doing things to help ken terrorize the town . When McElroy was spotted leaving the D&G, the crowd in the Legion Hall followed him outside to the parking lot to confront him. As far as Trena, it is awful to think that her own mother just gave up on her so easily I just cannot imagine. Trena too young to know a better way and being unable to make her own judgements, plus being gaslighted by Ken to the point that she couldnt think for herself and her parents not protecting her. Do you know where abouts? Required fields are marked *. A few weeks after Jeffrey called me, I had received a phone call in the middle of the night from Sally, Jeffreys biological mother. Hows Kriss Goslee? Followed the link to Trenas obit so pleased to see the post @ her Christian Faith God forgives everyone who repents, and love(d) Trena as much as Mother Teresa and everyone in between Perfection is not a pre-requisite. Ken was my grandfather derome was my father Im deromes oldest my mother is trace I wish I could of meet my grandfather. She was a girl who became corrupted and was abused, no doubt. Their rights were ignored completely. For some reason, the Ken McElroy shooting popped into my mind and I wondered what happened to Trena and Ken's children. She remarried and had children with her new husband. Or it could be the Otha Embry case, but I dont think a jury was ever seated in that case. The people of Skidmore had every right to defend their lives, their children, and their town from McElroy when the law was impotent to do so. Ken McElroy: Killed in Broad Daylight | by Lori Johnston - Medium No more than shooting any wild animal just as soon as you can rather than give it time to turn on you and kill you. What was his/her name, and have you had any contact with him/her? Skip to main content Home I am almost finished with the book, & am shocked at everything that Ken McElroy got away with! However, Im sure that he knew who McElroy was. City Confidential pissed me off because all of the info in the show came from my book and they failed to credit it. He got what he had coming why keep talking about it its over done, I believe that anyone that wants a vigilante tried for murdering the scum of the earth, is the reason the world is in the sad state of affairs that its in today. Unsolved recounts how approximately 60 people were in attendance at the meeting, including both the mayor and the sheriff. Thats the mentality of many bullies. They only wanted to control through violence. I mean, come on, think for yourselves! She had to of been a strong woman to endure what she did and come out okay! If someone were to have all the data that you have regarding this case, who would they suspect as the 3rd shooter? 6. Ken McElroy - Wikipedia How would he know anything about any of this and of course he did live in Skidmore at the time he is still a very young man. He stole their livelihood in many ways. When you get a contract to write it let me know. You need to be leave peoples names out of this where was it proven that tammy had anything to do with anything these our false accusations as I am sure a judge would agree. Ken had 13 siblings: Hershell Eugene McElroy, Orvell McElroy and 11 other siblings. Did she ever apologise to the people that she bullied? Ken Rex what he deserved but it was a cowardly thing. I dont remember exactly when Alice passed away, but it was at least 5 years, from cancer. why you attracted such a horrible person into your life. I had never seen the guy before and I made a point of looking at the vehicles in the parking lot when I left. Im heartened to read of Trenas reformation, and saddened that her life was cut so short. Shooting that animal was not cowardly except in a criminal mind. Usually, it takes a dangerous gang and a community of people too scared to talk to get away with such behavior. The aforementioned lawsuit, her bullying the town along with KRM, her defense of a man that raped and abused her, NO and NO! Even if you're undecided on how you feel about vigilante justice, the citizens of Skidmore are sure of their stance on McElroy's death. According to a Mental Floss article on McElroy, the 70-year-old Bowenkamp barely survived the violent encounter; but although McElroy was convicted of second-degree assault and sentenced to two. Thanks for the comment. Ive been saying the exact sam thing the last few days. True Story based on Ken McElroy, the town bully of Skidmore, MissouriBrian Dennehy as Len RowanCloris Leachman as Ruth WestermanMarcia Gay Harden as Adina Ro. The T O W N failed to protect the 12 year old? They terrorized an entire down. How old is she? Is Steve Peter still around Skidmore, & if so what is he doing now days? Everyone wants to know who shot him. AP Writer Typlifed Irresponsible Writing About Ken McElroys Murder, http://www.holmanhowe.com/sitemaker/sites/Holman1/obit.cgi?user=559576WilliamsLebanon#.TyhZNgTT0J0.facebook, https://vintageaerial.com/photos/missouri/nodaway/1980/ONO/29/17, In Broad Daylight Classic Print Edition. I have just recently heard of this story. Killing her wouldnt have made anyone safer, but wouldve made the townspeople murderers in their own eyes. Im glad you enjoyed the book. https://www.laclederecord.com/stories/debbie-ann-mcelroy,8800: Harry, To me, what makes a person unforgivable is their refusal to repent for their actions. Youre saying a 12 year old was at fault for being raped and forced into marriage by a grown man? He found all the loopholes. He taught me a lot about life and how being true to yourself makes a difference in your life and the lives of others. Agree ! Everybody? I have their pictures in The Story Behind In Broad Daylight. He raped McCloud repeatedly. A judge aint gonna do anything, Caitlin, and I thought I told you to shut your clown whore mouth! Once they wake up, they make different choices. The family appeared not to be given any help at all. They were of one mind, clearly, or the entire set of facts sought by the police would be known by now. However, Trena McElroy got rewarded settlement money for a wrongful death lawsuit she filed against three of the townspeople for his death.>>>>Click onto http://www.talkguests.com/mcelroy.htm. The teenagers gave birth to a total of seven of McElroy's offspring. Hi Harry, I read your book In Broad Daylight 4 years ago.I want to say it was an excellent book, Thanks for all your hard work!! He would have only threatened me with a gun one time.
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