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What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? : r - Reddit Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? by Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA The purpose behind the plot was to incite terror among white people and put the blame on black radicals. grimtravellerThis is a bit off topic. The CIA are not nice guys. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. No way this guy was just there to watch. Whitson had the Tate house under surveillance, which is how he knew something was going to happen. Grim said: But it's not true. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime I hate him too. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. He befriended me and he was definitely a man with a violent past, and I suspect a rather dangerous past. That sounds like a made up name. Reeve Whitson of Ireland in action during his singles match on the final day of the Boys Home Internationals at Hankley Common Golf Club on August 6,. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Melcher told me he had no memory of it. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. I am also considered an information hoarder. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. When he said it, it seemed credible. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? William "Rip" Robertson - Wikipedia He was very, very helpful. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. He didn't apply for it. Ajerseydevil said why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimesWhy would someone's parole or probation be revoked for getting arrested ? His lead investigator was a man (allegedly) named Reeve Whitson, who the CIA said they could neither confirm nor deny he ever worked for them. We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. Thank you, Bunkhouse. LOL. Reeve Whitson, Tom O'Neill's Masterpiece CHAOS, and Difficult - YouTube ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. Newly unearthed audio of Manson admitting he was part of a special "Federal Protection Program" when he was released from Terminal Island in March 1967 proves Tom O'Neill's contention there was a hands off policy towards Manson prior to the TLB killings. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. Let's try Whit Reevson. Reeve Whitson - Historical records and family trees - MyHeritage Average Age & Life Expectancy Reeve Whitson lived 9 years shorter than the average Whitson family member when they died at the age of 63. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Reeve Whitson, Jolly West, Sidney Gottlieb. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only ones. ONeill interviewed Paul Tate, Sharons father, who said that Whitson was a friend of Roman, Sharon, and Jay. He was very helpful with the police investigation and with District Attorney Bugliosi. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. "That was Sharon. And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. 3) The intersection of military intelligence, Hollywood and the mob runs directly into the Linkletter family, who were involved in a myriad of legitimate and no so much legit businesses. Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. Take a person (Krenwinkel) with an IQ just barely in the 3 digits to begin with and add in the hallucinogens, pot and babblings of a man she's in love with (Manson) and you've got a woman operating on a bowl of porridge for brains, katie8753 said "I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. It was the nation's top-secret film studio that produced more films (moon landing backup films) in one year than all the film studios in the L.A. area combined. So I think, like Mon says, the flag was there and Krenwinkel either didn't notice it or was was lying. Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.The interesting thing about the Hearst times in "HS" is that both in terms of the police report and the court testimony, what is given in the book is inaccurate but not exactly uncheckable and not of earth shattering proportions. And this has been going on since the start of 2017. But you frequently mention that he never said anything about a race war, but that he mentioned 'revolution.' Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? Multiple people told O'Neill that Whitson was an intelligence agent infiltrating Manson's group as well as the entire Laurel Canyon milieu. @TY > No offence, but you just come across as someone with an ability to write in capital letters and spout opinions that reveal nothing more than an anti~Bugliosi bias but no actual substance to back up whatever your opinions may be. Ill bet Sanders is correct. Correction of typo:[He said] it was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969O'Neill's article can be found on the internet, or you can read about Moorehouse in O'Neill's book on pages 116-119. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. Retweets. I've got several comments to make but right now I'm dealing with some personal crap. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. He had none. Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. It's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ! Red sold drugs in L. Canyon and knew Manson, Zappa, Yarrow, Cass, Tate, Polanski, and the rest of the musicians well. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. He also knew Charles Manson. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. Quite a bit of "what I've read" has actually come from people who weren't stating die-hard fact, but in the mists of time I'd remember what I read but not the circumstance or context. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. Take the Manson murders, which we've all probably heard about ad nauseam. Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. It's the inevitable outcome of the crypic utterances. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. It involved every dirty trick in the book. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? That guy was a waste of humanity!!! But SMOOOCH to you!!!! Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. I don't care for twitter interaction. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. Chapter 5 - Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. [He said] to was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969, for one simple reason: he gone to prison then. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. No, I said Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF, so that would mean someone took it off after she left and replaced it by the next morning OR Krenwinkel is either forgetting it was there (most likely) or lying about it not being there (least likely), most people in the group regarded Pat as either extremely shy or a tad mentally retarded which I believe whole heartedly, Also William this whole Reeve Whitson is bullshit, he was never there, I've heard NOTHING up until now of his claims of being there and oddly enough these claims surface right around the 50th anniversary, as Archie Bunker used to say "let's cut the crapola, heh?". Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Lol who knows and also I stand corrected it was a VW microbus Manson traded it for, Regarding Moorehouse living at Cielo I never thought there was anything to it then I was listening to a recorded interview with Tom O'Neill who wrote the Chaos book, he said Altobelli told him that Melcher did let Moorehouse live at Cielo off and on during the summer of 1968, apparently this was one of the things O Neill asked Bugliosi in one of their many interviews for the book, O Neill said he started finding so many inconsistencies between that Bugs said publicly and what Melcher told him privately that Vince got so paranoid that he started threatening Tom about putting the things he heard from Melcher in the book. The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? It was a probably Whitson tracking Abigail. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. I find that hard to believe.In Krenwinkel's first parole hearing, she pretty much said she didn't remember anything about that night except chasing down Gibby. Reeve Whitson? It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. All be told I love a conspiracy book. He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. "pg193Whitson's wife, Ellen Josefson: "He was working for the CIA""He(Whitson) said that his mother and Sharon Tate's mother were close" she said.pg196Linda Ruby, cousin to Whitson: "He(Whitson's father) knew that Reeve had planned to visit the Cielo house the night before"pg199FBI agent Roger "Frenchie" LaJeunesse: "Reeve Whitson was a part of putting the book together, the linchpin between all of us. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very well.Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. It should have been MPK 308. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. When I think of those kinds of things, I actually start to get scared. "I agree. One of the ways the CIA were able to keep tabs on the cult was by making agents grow their hair out, dress like hippies and join the Manson family in whatever commune they were in at the time.. I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 14483, 14508, 14542, 14554There's nothing connected with him on page 22239 ~ that's Squeaky's testimony. Sheilah nodded. Either way it's impressive. John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES But again, nobody saw him. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. It's a natural conclusion to draw the he was probably watching Cielo for Folger and became friends with the group for that reason. But his daughters ? In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. As I have indicated on an earlier thread, according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. 8. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). its being called 'Havana Syndrome' and its Believed it was caused by secret sonic weaponry now being called out in a new investigation. Got a link? I agree Beauders. And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}. Mon Durphy said regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took 100s of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etcThat would apply, even if they hadn't taken loads of drugs over a 4~5 year period. I won't accept something just because someone says it. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. "I don't know. Being arrested is not an offence let alone proof of guilt, let alone a conviction. Dr Paul Andrews, a CIA physician, woke up with permanent brain injuries without any physical infliction. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. It seems like a lot of cases have a central question and a bunch of smaller ones. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified He had a talent for acting and moved to Los Angeles to be an actor at the Pasadena Playhouse. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. Jul 13, 2020. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. Their successors are illegal domestic NOCs at video game and social media suppliers, and APA handlers. They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. Now Manson is a "secret agent"? Or was he himself a willing pawn in a greater scheme he wasn't aware of?The CIA are not nice guys. If LE and the CIA were so powerful, why didn't they just pin it on the innocent ? And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. Who is this O'Neill guy? One should remember, it was dark, most of them were unfamiliar with where they were and they weren't exactly studying the scene. A:Right, there was ro reporterThe most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. 2. I thought you surpassed yourself in bringing in such an authority as Quincy Jones to tell us all how Sharon's Dad led the investigators to Charles Manson.but Neil Cummings ! One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? But you can get some meaty details right here. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. I traced Whitson online. When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. For some it was possibly a fascinating exchange because as is your wont, you tend to be a great promoter of intrigue and mystery and you have a way of seeming like you have some dynamite for demonstration..but it never explodes. Ill bet Sanders is correct. Sharon Tate's father was military intelligence and headed an off-the-grid task force of sorts aimed at finding out more about his daughter's murder. I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago Not the bad eye, the good eye. CHAOS Question : r/TrueAnon - Reddit Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68.

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