[4] Ferry changed the company name to Ferry, Church & Co, and two years later, when Church retired,[5] Ferry changed the name again, this time to D.M. Prior to his work, tomatoes were considered ornamental rather than edible! 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. Through generations of care and quality, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. They seem to have the best germination rate of any seeds I've tried and they have a lot of unusual or less modern plants (like varieties and even species used by Native Americans that you can't find easily elsewhere). I am comfortable with my reply, and understand where you are coming from. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto or Sells Monsanto's Seeds Seed Companies who are either owned by Monsanto or sell Monsanto products. This kind of statement makes the conversation now about me and keeps diverting the conversation away from the topic and adds lengthy discussion back and forth about me. False is false. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. Ferry-Morse Reviews USA 2023 Get the Container-Friendly Flower Kit from Ferry-Morse for $39.99. 0000492936 00000 n Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. One thing is for sure. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. And I believe I have already explained other reasons for why I avoid GMO seeds and Monsanto which you evidently don't accept. 0000033228 00000 n Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. Today Jiffy seed starting products are used by professional and experienced growers around the world. Nobody of the big guys is going to tell you which seeds they buy from their competitors, and by definition if you buy a variety you can research it's entire pedigree. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. There was one woman who was so completely misinformed about the subject that she was worried that the Miracle-Gro potting mix she bought was GMO. Two publications that came to mind are the Christian Science Monitor and Mother Earth News, a magazine that has been in business for 35 years. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. Is that your point of view?, So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. I don't see much else other than getting frustrated. The business was merged into Plantation Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. The big picture, this is just more of the False Dichotomy fallacy I discuss in my post which activists on both extremes seek to bully anyone chosing not to align themselves with the extremes. ASM198 - Since the Infowars site is unreliable, I went looking for reliable sources and tried to think what I consider reliable. There is nothing wrong with my logic. [And now about you]. National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. 0000020325 00000 n And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. 0000014051 00000 n And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. Not all seeds are heirloom seeds. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. The crop employs nearly a third of the worlds population. That is a really bad combination. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. We grow our lawn without fertilizer and use clover and leave selective weeds in the lawn. or proves one is wrong? I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. I do not consider it more honorable or more negative to be either. Livingston bred and released 35 tomato varieties, creating the cultural preference for one of todays most beloved vegetables. Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. Check. Back in the early 1980s, there was only a 'seed' of the organic movement. I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto. So any conclusions either of us draw from this conversation are not accurate or complete. Yes, your original objection about the link that was inaccurate, was an early part of the topic being discussed. The original article is trash (but not the underlying subject), not because I say so, but because it is filled with omissions and inconsistencies as nailed by Ed & Rodney. The list isn't just what companies are actually owned by Monsanto, but it also includes seed companies that simply sell some Seminis seed. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". Again, thread was how to avoid planting GMO seeds. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. And what is going to happen to the seed they are selling? I'm not responsible for what you understand or who is marketing what. The Company was, at a particular time, the largest seed supplier globally. But if you did not have an interest or the time to look at them, you only had to say so. But I am not making a blanket statement. Although, how do you easily find out who owns these companies? Is there actually a big difference between someone being torn and being undecided? Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. Each variety is maintained genetically pure to itself, and the home garden area has absolutely no more access to GMO's than any all-organic anti-GMO crusading company. I would have liked to have had a friendly, collaborative discussion, but unfortunately, that is not how this conversation has evolved. Lowes gets $0.25 of it. Model # 629382.1220.199.9086. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. Operations in Charlevoix, Michigan began when the train lines extended up to that area in 1892, and a large Charlevoix warehouse facility was built in 1905 along the lake near the new Chicago and West Michigan Railway line. ~ Do I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? Negative: tablerocktina (4 reviews) On Aug 6, 2012, tablerocktina Fountain Inn, SC (Zone 8a) wrote: . Our favorite bit of history is that SUPERthrive was used in Disneyland Parks opening in 1955 to keep the new landscaping alive in the 100 degree summer weather. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. Now I doubt their whole list. What is it you expect - for me to write a thesis on GMOs to include for this thread? This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. And where does it refer to your belief in anything I said? It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. 0000536209 00000 n I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. A Brief History of Monsanto and Seed Houses Who Got Screwed I'm trying to avoid their products too. Maybe it was her fault for misunderstanding something or maybe it was the fault of whatever she read, but the fact is that all the vague (or downright inaccurate), sensationalist, and/or fear mongering information regarding GMO's and Monsanto that is out there is not really helping anything. Again, Nobody, including Monsanto, will sell them to the Home Gardener. If others want to do this I am sympathetic but have mixed feelings about the effect of that. Seeds of Change is the original 100% Organic seed brand. Large companies, consolidating and growing into mammoth organizations, to me, are responsible for a lot of ill effects in the world. I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. There is no question I want a conventionally bred product by a smaller company if there is a real choice, because it keeps conventional breeding strong and competitive and goes against the trends of consolidation which large companies represent. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. I was happy with that purchase too. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. Ed, thanks for posting. No problem. Argument: an oral disagreement; verbal opposition. Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. All American Seeds are 100% Non-GMO. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. For that reason I did not respond to your comments that were not relevant to the points, and that should not be assumed to be agreement, but only my way of prioritizing what was important (from my POV). Jiffy Seed Starting. 0000011681 00000 n The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." 0000011324 00000 n When you say, you would vote with your dollars for products like Roundup and Miracle Gro, and you are angry that a Monsanto product is not available to you, what I hear you saying, is that you are on board as far as seeing the ill effects of inorganic methods of gardening, but youre not really against genetically modified seeds. Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. If you have some complaint about something in my post, then clearly state what that is. 0000003294 00000 n This is just disrespectful. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. They could care less about it. In 2005 . 'Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic - intended to manipulate people by bullying the and using fear as a weapon'. I get Mother Earth News out of the library once in awhile. The Associated Seed Growers, Inc. ("Asgrow") was formed in 1927 when seed competitors Everett B. Clark Seed Co., John H. Allen Seed Co., and N.B. [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. Is that right? Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. So hopefully the home garden varieties can hang on until they find a nicer home. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. Find My Store. 0000018840 00000 n It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. Burpee seeds is not owned by Monsanto but has admitted to "buying a small number of seeds" from Seminis. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. You accused me of labeling you. As consumers, we have to bear the brunt of the responsibility for that. I've already made my decision and I did enough research before I did to feel very comfortable with my choice. And if you did not want to, then why did you find the one link that you disagreed with and respond to only that? OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. McKenzie is Canada's #1 seed packet company. [3] A. E. F. White, John Stoughton Newberry, and W. K. Anderson were also officers. I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. I share my experiences about organic growing. And I thought my above response was very clear about where I personally stand on this issue, do you have some problem with that? But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. Get fresh organic and heirloom vegetable, herb and flower seeds. Nothing. Syngenta - This is the first I am hearing about it. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. NotMonsanto. I completely agree with you, that we do dive headfirst into what is considered 'progress' and in the process we let go of what is very valuable and sometimes priceless then only in hindsight, do we acknowledge or understand what we've done. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. When I entered this thread, it was a year ago, when I had the time to participate fully in a discussion. 0000001737 00000 n This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. The title of the list is bogus. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold . If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. Is Jung Seed owned by Monsanto? - Tonyajoy.com Dr. Thomson was forever proud of his Worlds Fair Gold Medal in Science and Industry awarded to SUPERthrive in 1940. Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. Model # 629313.1220.199.9085. Pupilla - I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your posts here as well intentioned. Monsanto mounts an aggressive GMO PR campaign 2015, http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Bite/2015/0318/Monsanto-mounts-an-aggressive-GMO-PR-campaign. Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. In the end, I think it is rather ridiculous to toss the entire biotech industry based on the fact that bad things have happened. Hummingbird Wildflower Mix Flower Seed. This put it in a whole new positive light on the subject. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/seed-companies-owned-by-monsanto. Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. Ferry Morse seeds have thrived through the years. That is pretty depressing. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? I just call you out for using fallacious logic or repeating long debunked claims you choose to provide links for about millions of people dying which have been debunked. 0000016755 00000 n And what online source, would be reliable for that kind of information? An awareness, not a better understanding. However there is one point I can beef up. I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. Thanks for pointing me in a direction to find a better list of Seed Companies that are owned by Monsanto. The loser is the home gardener). Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic intended to manipulate people by bullying them and using fear as a weapon. [2] It's rhetorical. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. How to Avoid GMO/GEO Owl Creek Farm Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. And you are depending on the current legal climate, while Monsanto is using all that money you are putting in their coffers to try to alter the legal climate, so that they will ultimately have control of the food supply. Then I illustrated it by showing you that the Florida Citrus Greening disease is here right here and now. This just isn't true. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. I was unaware that there are graphs 'trying' to track what they now own. 0000510000 00000 n 0000001926 00000 n McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Youre concerned with a few tomato varieties but yet, you cant seem to grasp the concern opponents of GMO seeds have about the potential loss of ALL unadulterated seed that supplies the worlds food suppy? Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. First, you have fused two subjects together based on the fact that one uses the technology. If this is true, how did that happen? All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. There's plenty of it. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. :-). So why was that not good enough for you? :-), I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. Burpee was never owned by Monsanto, but sold its west coast operations which changed hands and were eventually bought by Monsanto. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. Ferry-Morse Seed Company - Wikipedia Well wishes to you too. When the purchase was finalized, I was out on my rear without a job, so if anyone has reason to be unhappy with them for political reasons, that's me! If you need to label me, which I feel is unfair and would not do to you, please put me in the category of "independent thinker" and "undecided" on the whole GMO mess. About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com It goes against my core beliefs. Not all "progress" is a good thing and we often dive headfirst into it without truly knowing the full ramifications. I am not here for an in depth debate on GMOs since the premise of the thread is how to avoid GMO seeds.
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