They go, hey Bubba, what's happening, like that.' Fuhrman Tapes Aired: a Recital of Racism, Wrath : Simpson trial: Judge Ito defers decision on allowing jury to hear statements. ', He also defended his collection of German war artifacts from World Wart II by saying they were 'not swastikas.'. McKinny, who was a professor at the North Carolina School of the Arts in its filmmaking department, was resistant to sharing the tapes and transcripts from her interviews with Fuhrman according to . LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police witness in the O.J. Simpson trial. HART MCKINNY: No one, talking about me, should be profiting from this tragedy that people have to live with every day of their life. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are tragically into the third day of this major riot-- PHILLIPS: Los Angeles. FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. - On working Mardi Gras, 'There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. PHILLIPS: Does it feel good to talk about this? How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? The Fuhrman tapes revealed. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. HART MCKINNY: Depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the (inaudible) would be. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these n****** in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and f******' shot.' It's the man. Preliminary Hearings and Grand Jury, Jury & Witness Lists So it was kind of shunted off to the side. Read what the NY Times had to say about this site back in 1995: Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. HART MCKINNY: Missouri scum who should not be allowed in our venerable policeman against policewoman -- PHILLIPS: It became a book. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. We gave all the females names, like these really ugly ones called critter, and this other one we call her, uh Hench Monkey like in the Wizard of Oz. The nature and purpose of their relationship. You go to Pacoima, you got bikers and n******.' He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. They can arm wrestle 6'7" n******.' In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. HART MCKINNY: He threatens me and he said I'll take you and any females you bring and I'll choke you all out in a minute. He now writes true crime books, publishing his first in 1997 -Murder in Brentwood. I was a reason the jury latched on to so they could feel good about themselves. You know, I'm apologizing from the bottom of my heart for creating pain where pain wasn't necessary. When you heard those tape recordings for the first time, what did you think? PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. 'We searched him again and found the gun. I thought whoa. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. PHILLIPS: Coming up O.J. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. Walked up and told them: "I've got this girl, I'll blow her f****** brains out, if you come out with a gun. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:41:48] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon, Ms. McKinny. . That is what we do. I said I mean you guys actually go to the park after work and just drink beer and then great women? How did we even let him stay on the job? THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. Just body shots. Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial, bar disclosure of Simpson's financial status, bar Nicole's "he's going to kill me" statement to the police, bar testimony about Simpson's "stalking" or "battering", bar testimony about Simpson's drug use & adultery, bar reference to the Brown family selling items/stories to the media, bar reference to Simpson's financial support of the Browns, bar "Rockingham blood was planted" theory, bar reference to Fuhrman's invocation of the 5th. Kill parties. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? After O.J. That's all I can do.'. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. PHILLIPS: And then you thought? What Did The Mark Fuhrman Tapes Say? They Were Crucial To The - Romper "[13], The Los Angeles Police Department conducted an investigation to determine the validity of Fuhrman's claims on the tapes. No, I want to be infamous. Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? We'd love to investigate just some good 'ol boy beating up a n***** in a bar."' And I will deny the subpoena. PHILLIPS: And divided our country. Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. The defense may present McKinny's testimony as follows: b. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. - On suspects resisting arrest, 'You just go out and what are gonna do with some n***** with a knife? HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. What did he mean by that? PHILLIPS: But infamous is very different from famous. PHILLIPS: So you knew he would put the department in a bad light? A competent woman cop I think is more accurate. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. HART MCKINNY: It just pissed me off. - On making decisions at crime scenes, 'I mean narcotics isn't full of n****** and Mexicans. Use critters. Depositions and Interviews. their faces were just mush. Did he ever say why? PHILLIPS: How did he treat you that night? What has that been like for you? PHILLIPS: Right. PHILLIPS: And even one tape made just months before he would testify in the O.J. If leaks of the Mark Fuhrman tapes are accurate, it's a force that revels in heating, shooting, harassing, framing and intimidating suspects, among other finer police tactics. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are. HART MCKINNY: There was the reality that maybe the tapes had something to do with the jury's verdict and because of that I would be persona non grata in many people's eyes. HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. , updated Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. The judge barred the defense from submitting to jurors any statements Fuhrman made in nine years of taped interviews with a North Carolina screenwriter in which he boasted about planting. PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. And I think everybody's better for it. Transcripts Of The Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Show Why They Were - Bustle Captain York was the highest ranking woman in the history of the force at that time and in 1985 had been in charge of Fuhrman. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. Why would he say that? Simpson's defense team argued that Fuhrman planted the glove on Simpson's estate following the murder. The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? PHILLIPS: Did you feel a need to protect him? - On questioning suspects, 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. PHILLIPS: And that is exactly what happened. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. We have no n****** where I grew up.' PHILLIPS: As Bailey was grilling Fuhrman, no one knew about Laura Hart McKinny tapes, except for her and a few close allies. - On new LAPD regulations, 'Go to Wilshire division. In another story Fuhrman admits that he will appear at trials and provide information under oath to support officers even if he does not know the information to be true claiming that unlike his fellow officers he knows how to testify. HART MCKINNY: He did. His response surprised her. 'They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. HART MCKINNY: No, I didn't even know what a split tail was. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a belly punch at the wrong time. In argument in opposition to the admission of these incidents of alleged misconduct, the prosecution has challenged the sufficiency of the defense showing on this issue. PHILLIPS: McKenna was a private investigator working for O.J. The underlying assumption requires a leap in both law and logic that is too broad to be made based upon the evidence before the jury. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They show the tapes will show he was a racist capable of planting a bloody glove. BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. So what else was on those tapes? Four suspects ran into a second-story. Simpson murder trial. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes, https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/01/us/excerpts-from-the-ruling-on-the-fuhrman-tapes.html. HART MCKINNY: Yes. Fuhrman, who has retired from. HART MCKINNY: I trust you. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. Having found Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet to be relevant and admissible, the court must then analyze each usage under Evidence Code Section 352: "The court may exclude evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the probability that its admission will (a) necessitate undue consumption of time or (b) create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing the issues, or of misleading the jury." "Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen," said Fuhrman, according to the transcript. PHILLIPS: Disturbing. The defense seeks to offer 18 incidents of alleged misconduct. No, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. PHILLIPS: Why have you decided to come forward now and talk to us? Which I thought he was. Take one in the basement and just beat the dog shit out of him." HART MCKINNY: First of there we had a brief encounter. PHILLIPS: What if somebody had come towards you? - On construction of a new police stations, By He pleaded no contest to the charges in October of that year and received three-years probation, making him the only person involved in the Simpson case to be convicted on any charges. PHILLIPS: How did you stomach listening to that over and over again? And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. PHILLIPS: And whatever happened to McKinny's screen play? I don't know who called. Simpson, including a bloody glove. Laura Hart McKinny, her tapes and recordings of Mark Fuhrman saying the "n" word. PHILLIPS: One member of that task force, Tia Morris. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of verdict in violation of penal code -- HART MCKINNY: Could have actually helped to make a guilty man go free. PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. Simpson trial, reportedly makes racist comments on the tapes and refers to alleged incidents of police brutality by the LAPD. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. PHILLIPS: And your thought was? Items Introduced into Evidence PHILLIPS: In the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events describe by Fuhrman. At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. They are going to say that I planted the glove to be able to sell to peddle this which is absolutely psycho. Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. I would never have sold the tapes. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . Numerous bones in each one of them. PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. Mark Fuhrman was the detective in the investigation and would play a pivotal role in the trial. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To sell. More from the infamous tapes you've never heard. 'I had 66 allegations of brutality: AEW, under color of authority, assault and battery under color authority. PHILLIPS: So he made you get out at the scene. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. Female Officers on Tapes, O.J. McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. HART MCKINNY: Just the thought of a kill Party takes your breath away. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . The glove is everything. Trial Cop Tells of 'Tribunals', "Feminist Majority Foundation and National Center For Women & Policing Call for Citizens' Commission to Oversee Independent Investigation of Gender Bias In LAPD:Department Plagued by Reports of Sexual Harassment and Threats Against Women Officers and Wifebeating Cover-up", My World and Welcome Info Pages: Excerpts from the Fuhrman Tapes, "Fuhrman Invokes 5th Amendment, Refuses to Testify: Simpson case: Ex-detective is asked three questions, including whether he planted evidence. HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. Then came the one phone call that changed everything. PHILLIPS: So being on this Task Force, you were privy to internal reports and Mark Fuhrman was mentioned in a number of these. You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' To drive this home, Bailey at one point asked Fuhrman if he had ever used a racial slur, specifically the n-word, at any point in the past 10 years. The thought of taking someone's life and being happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job, that was a hell of an evening, it's just overwhelming, the really is, the idea of a kill party. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. [Women] don't pack those qualities." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very pleased. HART MCKINNY: No. Gerald F. Uelmen, the member of the defense team who passionately argued for admission of 61 tapes and transcripts, rose again Tuesday to urge Ito to return to that question. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. You know they're caught between dimensions. FUHRMAN: And then I go does anybody have any evidence to produce? - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' When I left, Dana goes, "No blood Mark." FUHRMAN: You've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. You're never going to find. [9] Regarding police brutality towards suspects, "just about everything Fuhrman told McKinny, which could be connected to an actual event, was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the facts", the report concluded. As such, the defendant is entitled to effectively cross-examine him. PHILLIPS: Then Morris says came a high priority call, burglary in progress. Witnesses Tell Jury of Fuhrman's Racial Epithets : Simpson trial: Ex I remember you got a lot of death threats. It is a theory without factual support. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. PHILLIPS: And she remains mostly silent until now. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't happen under my watch, period. CNN O.J. Simpson Trial News: Furhman tapes He should be shot. MORRIS: It was amazing to me because for one I'm sitting here thinking here I went through this in the '80s and I'm saying the department knew about a lot of this stuff. FUHRMAN: No, sir. She was also the wife of Judge Lance Ito. Fuhrman was the detective who found a bloody glove on Simpson's estate. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wouldn't get off the car so I'd have to approach the scene by myself. On Tape, Fuhrman Describes Incident Similar to '78 Event : Simpson Many people also know about a key piece of evidence introduced by the defensetaped interviews in which one of the investigating officers, Los Angeles Police Department detective Mark Fuhrman, used racial slurs. Nor would I have a reason to. He didn't have to give up the tapes. Trial Transcripts PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. That is just right out. Get in a bar fight. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened. PHILLIPS: He won. HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? FUHRMAN: If somebody thinks enough of you they'll come up with some type of a name. FUHRMAN: Their response is what? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared. Suits, Motions and Court Orders . I didn't know what I was doing. PHILLIPS: Is it true you were offered $250,000 for them? Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense will question screen writer Laura Hart McKinny about interviews she taped with Fuhrman. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:13:35] PHILLIPS: Making it in Hollywood was screen writer Laura Hart McKinny's dream and she knew exactly what her movie should be about. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny, who had taped an interview with Fuhrman as background for a screenplay she was writing about women's experience in the police force, turned over the tapes and. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. Fuhrman says on the tapes: "I had 66 allegations of brutality.. under cover of authority, assault and battery under cover of authority. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed - twelve in ten years. The prosecutor, the sergeant in arms stands by the defendant. FUHRMAN: To peddle this which is absolutely psycho? Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue - CNN Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes - New York Times Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. "Further, there was evidence that the Men Against Women officers would ostracize male officers who did not support their boycott against female officers. So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. HART MCKINNY: Good afternoon Mr. Cochran. So to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. Simpson trial. - On female police officers, 'They have a bunch of n****** up there, two guys, they're like 5'6", they got punched right in the face.' Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will be doing a reorganization of the department, and it will serve the best interest of the duties of this department and the citizens of Los Angeles. The LAPD detective answered Bailey, under oath, saying he had not used the word in the past 10 years as of that date, March 15, 1995. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. torture. Two of my. The defense may play and display the following excerpts as impeachment: The court finds the probative value of the remaining examples to be substantially and overwhelmingly outweighed by the danger of undue prejudice. They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. Coming up Mark Fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. He said yeah. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. That is how MAW, men against women, reportedly worked. Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. All But the Jury Hear Epithets on Fuhrman Tapes Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. Fuhrman also angrily refers to Simpson's lawyer Robert Shapiro as a 'Jew' and says that he looks forward to filing a libel lawsuit against him after comments he made about the detective in a New Yorker story. Why? You have to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids.
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